Wars in Africa and the Middle East

It is more than likely that you will not agree with my POV. However, I am going to state what I feel so that people know from where I am coming and why I would, for example support the Libyan protesters but not those in Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria etc.  This is despite the fact that there is some evidence that some of the people involved are Islamists and have been in Iraq to fight with Al Qaeda.

Where to begin? I spotted that something was up in Libya during the protests in Egypt. It was a snippet in one report that caught my attention. I wrongly speculated at the time that I thought that Gadhafi would go in an opposite direction to the one that he has chosen. I do not have the links because I did not save them, but Daffy Duck was starting to become bold again, with regard to his attitude towards the west at the time that the protests began.

My understanding of the sequence of events is as follows: in a matter of days prior to the first protest in Benghazi, Daffy Duck released about 100 people he had detained because they were associated with Al Qaeda. Some of those 100 live near or around Benghazi. However, I have no proof that they were involved in the initial protests.

The protests began when Daffy goons arrested a man who had links to the families of those who had disappeared, or were killed in 1996. The story goes that there was an uprising in the jail amongst the political prisoners. Many of those prisoners had been held for several years, and Daffy eliminated something like 1000 of them at the time of the uprising. Around the same time there had also been an attempted coup. The families of the officers involved in the attempted coup live in Zintan (sp) which is one of the towns that has faced heavy bombardment from the Daffy goons. This included the destruction of the town mosque.

The man who was arrested was released, but we need to look more closely at who organized the protests. From my understanding, the organizer was a lawyer from Zawiyah. He and his friends were encouraged by the protests in Egpyt and Tunisia, and they also used Facebook to find like-minded people.  The lawyer had been taken to see Daffy Duck who had intimidated him… but it seems to have left little impression upon him. The man is a part of the National Transition Council.

The first protest was a small group of people. The Daffy goons were ready, and they opened fire with water canons, and other weapons. The protesters, like those in Egypt were not deterred. They went to the town square to protest again, but the crowd protesting began to swell. The Daffy goons shot and killed some of the protesters, which led to a funeral procession past the fort. This in turn led to more people being shot and killed, and that in turn led to the swelling of the protest. Several young men were killed by Daffy snipers within the fort in Benghazi. However, things changed when one man, who had decided to carry out a one-man jihad, packed his car with cooking gas bottles and he breached the fort. The people took over the fort and the town. At the same time the justice minister and an army unit turned up… it was thought that they came as reinforcements for Daffy, but they had defected to the rebels. They were the first of the military to defect.

By this stage, however, there had been two pilots who flew to Cyprus and requested asylum. They refused to bomb their own people. There were other members of the military who refused to take part in the slaughter of the people. They were either shot on the spot, or they were tied to the army tanks and then shot and killed.

The protests had also erupted in other cities throughout Libya, including Tripoli, Zawiya, Misrata, and  Brega. Since Daffy had already anticipated the protests, he had brought in mercenaries from the African nation of Malia. He used the mercenaries to try and enter Zawiyah and he used them on the streets in Tripoli. These mercenaries have been used as snipers, shooting at anything that moved. The death toll, and the injury toll is actually quite high. Many were killed in Zawiyah.

In those early days, the man in charge in Zawiyah made sure that the journalists who were taken there by the regime go the message that they were nothing to do with Al Qaeda. This is because Daffy was putting around a false claim that those protesting against him were thugs and members of Al Qaeda. It looks like a lot of people have swallowed the bait and for some reason they think that all of the rebels are members of Al Qaeda. What I am saying is that there is a good reason to dispute such claims, even if there are some who have been to Iraq. They are not the majority involved.

To date there have been several defections from the Daffy regime. The most high profile is that of Moussa Khoussa. This man is one who was very close to Daffy Duck. It is suspected that he was involved in two incidents involving the bombing of aircraft. In one case, that of Lockerbie,  another former member of the Daffy regime has indicated that it was Daffy who in fact gave the orders, not Khoussa. I have heard nothing about the bombing of the French aircraft, and whether Khoussa was indeed responsible. Either way, the man is a big fish, with a lot of information on Daffy Duck.

As I build this blog, I hope to provide more detailed information. There is a lot to absorb because Libya is less clear cut than say Egypt or Yemen, where in the case of Egypt it was easy to spot the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, and with regard to Yemen, it could be argued that Al Qaeda were somehow behind the protests. In Bahrain it looks like it is the Iranians who had been doing the shit stirring.  This post is an introduction to the subject. If I find information that negates my beliefs then I will post that information.

4 responses to “Wars in Africa and the Middle East

  1. I don’t exactly disagree with you, but I have grave concerns. I will not quote statistics because it is too easy to get them wrong or manipulate them. You all can use whatever statistics you want.

    But in all these countries that are presumably part of the “Arab Spring” there is a high rate of illiteracy and barbarism. It is not at all clear they are “ripe” for a workable Democracy. Sure, we see some highly educated and professional people, but there are not many and they don’t appear to have a critical mass or the raw brute strength (of body or mind) to overwhelm a nation into any kind of cohesion.

    I am totally against any kind of “nation building” by the US.

    I am totally against using US military for any “humanitarian” reasons. Among other things, we have a hell of a time in determining who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. (Did we get it wrong in Kosovo and Serbia?). Also, there are too many humanitarian crises for us to solve them all – so how do you choose?

    Finally, any sort of uprising or chaos – no matter how well intended or how righteous – just creates cracks and openings for the Really Bad Guys. At an international level, perhaps stability is The Most Important Virtue?

    So, are you wrong? It is hard to say so or prove so. And you have many good points. But I think no good can come from it and much MUCH risk of bad, VERY BAD.

    That’s my 2¢ worth, for now.


  2. All of these are excellent points. I most definitely agree that the USA should not get involved. What is the point of the paper tiger making orders for people to leave? All of these demands to these dictators are getting a bit tired if you know what I mean.

    Now Libya was a former Italian colony, and I think that the French and British might have had some interests as well. Certainly the French and the British are leading the way on this action, which is far more appropriate than having the USA becoming involved (except at a secondary level).

    I agree and disagree especially with regard to literacy. Perhaps it is a small group who are literate in Benghazi. Perhaps it is a small group who are literate in Zawiyah, but the fact is that these people who formed the National Transitional Council are intellectuals, businessmen and women, engineers, doctors and the like. What has set some of them apart is that they were educated in the UK !!

    Now the reason I agree about the literacy is that I have been learning more about these people, and there is certainly a good case to show that Daffy had been playing games which meant that many had faulty schooling.

    I actually think that the literacy problem would be more of an issue in Egypt, Yemen and Syria, and especially amongst the Shiites. However, without doing the investigation I cannot know for certain.

    Also, I think that you are right about things turning out very bad, but not necessarily in Libya. I feel that this is the case in Yemen, Bahrain and Syria. I feel very uneasy about Egypt.

    The big unknown in Libya is whether or not the Transitional Council can in fact pull off the transition to democracy that they desire. One of the Daffy Duck strategies was to try and keep the tribes divided and it is hard to know whether or not this strategy will have backfired on Daffy Duck. The people who make up the Council seem to think that they have a good shot at forming government based upon western democracy. They claim that they have had secret talks with the tribal leaders. It could be true. There are only 3 tribes that are with Daffy Duck.

    The National Transitional Council has people in the Tajoura district in Tripoli, Zawiyah, Sirte, Brega and Ras Lanuf, as well as other towns. They have not divulged all of the names out of fear of what could happen to those who are still in the Daffy strongholds.
    One of the things that had impressed me about Benghazi was the way in which the people in a very orderly fashion, had redirected themselves to restore order after the protests and the storming of the fort. They were very quick in organizing themselves. They have very high profile figures in their midst including the former justice minister and the former interior minister as well as several army generals, and several air force generals.

    I think that there is more risk of the bad guys stepping into the cracks in Egypt, rather than in Libya. It is a hunch. I just have a very bad feel about Egypt. In Libya I feel some concern, especially when I realized that some of the people involved in the fighting have a love affair with Che Guevera. My hope in Libya is that the adults will be in charge rather than the young bucks who are so flighty. However, as I find out more about how well entrenched MB is in Libya I will re-evaluate my opinions. I certainly see MB as being a very big threat in the region.


  3. It is good to discuss these things. With nobody calling other people names or flying off into rages.

    These are complex issues. NOBODY knows all the facts or the right answers. Not even the CIA or the State Department. It is just a mess. I am 100% for non-intervention unless and until the battle lines are clearly drawn and there is great clarity as to right and wrong, good and evil.

    And it more than a little bothers me that Zero ALWAYS sides with the Jihadis and against our long-time allies, and against Israel.

    But I do agree with you that Libya is remarkably different than other of the “arab spring” situations. I respect your opinion and analysis on this – I will continue to read and learn – but at the same time remaining very skeptical – but as always hoping I am wrong.

    BTW – did you post a link on some of the other blogs you frequent so that people know this site exists and they can come over here for a reasoned discussion of some key issues?


    • Here’s why I think that some intervention was necessary, and it was nearly too little too late. Daffy did a few things that have been different from the other Arab nations. The firing upon the protesters began with the very first protest. These were unarmed people.

      Since I had followed this one from the beginning, I did have a laugh at the description of the early crude weaponry of the people, especially in the funeral processions. They were throwing rocks (sounds like Hamas, no!), they had gunpowder in coke cans and mountain dew bottles, (something that they use when fishing), they had their fishing guns. Yep, real terrifying weapons and no match for those inside the Benghazi fort.

      In a really weird twist, whilst I remain appalled over the use of jihad and suicide bombers, I feel different about the man who took it upon himself to declare a one man jihad against the army who was firing upon his people. I guess it is because I see the difference between indiscriminate killing and maiming compared to the true desire to protect one’s own. In my view he acted bravely in an effort to stop the Daffy goons killing his people. This is just so different from say the killing of the people in the Sufi mosques in Pakistan.

      Also, you will find that I am very much against the actions of Jones and his group in Florida. The man knew that there would be consequences to his action. It was insane to have gone ahead and in such a way that he attracted the attention of the Muslims.

      Plus I am in agreement with you with regard to Østupid. He did not want to get involved with Libya but the world opinion went against him. It took until the 11th hour to get that UN resolution, and only because Daffy threatened to act with no mercy against the people of Benghazi.

      Even Turkey has come on board to some extent… and again I am full of admiration that they have acted in a certain way. This time it was the evacuation of 200 seriously wounded individuals from Misrata. They did this with a naval and air escort. They also picked up another 100 in Benghazi. This is in my view a very positive and humane response to the situation.

      I continue to remain concerned about Israel. In my heart I am hoping that Libya will end up being a neutral ally to Israel – in other words they will have the same kind of truce as in Egypt. I am concerned not because of Libya, but because of the changes in Egypt and the uprisings in Jordan and Syria. Like Egypt, Jordan has been an ally to Israel… at least one who will turn the back and close the eyes… and if the Shia were to win in Jordan then Israel would be more isolated. Syria, is run by the Assad family, but they are in the pay of Iran. So who is doing the protests there? Is it the Shia or is it the displaced Kurds? Either way the crackdowns in Syria have also been deadly… but not as extensive as the bloody crackdown in Libya.

      Yemen is a concern because this seems to involve the Shia, probably AQ and definitely MB. Yemen is also close to the Saudi border which means if the Shia took over then the Saudis will have a bigger headache.

      There is sufficient evidence to point the finger at Iran with the protests in Bahrain, Oman and Kuwait. Iran has been trying for quite a while to stir up trouble in the Gulf States. The GCC is strong but do they have the weapons to be a match for Iran. These countries make utterances against Israel, but they also accept that the existence of Israel protects them.

      This leaves Lebanon and the most serious thing happening there has been Hezbollah gaining control of the parliament, through the murder of the opposition. This is by far the most dangerous thing for Israel.